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<p><strong>Lisa Horowitz</strong>: My first introduction to NIH was coming here as a patient and I met Dr. Wyndham Wilson. And I could tell he was very smart and he knew everything there was to know about lymphoma and I put my confidence immediately in him. And then the funny thing was, a week later, after I came here as a patient, I had to start my job NIH. So I felt like a double agent, like I was an undercover cancer patient working in the Clinical Center as a psychologist who was going to see cancer patients and evaluate them for mental health concerns.</p>
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<p><strong>Lisa Horowitz</strong>: I was working for this wonderful boss at the Clinical Center, Don Rosenstein, and he said, “Lisa, I’m going to take you on my first consult today. It’s a cancer patient; it’s a lymphoma patient.” He didn’t know I had lymphoma and he said, “We’re going to meet Dr. Wilson and we’re going to do a consult on one of Dr. Wilson’s patients.” And I must have just gone white. And I remember that like, oh my God, I’m going to meet Dr. Wilson as…</p>
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<p><strong>Lisa Horowitz</strong>: …who I already met as a patient and I’m going to meet him now as a psychologist, as a provider. And is he going to give my story away, what was he going to do? And I remember, he just shook my hand, and he said, “Nice to meet you.” And he didn’t give anything away.</p>
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<p><strong>Lisa Horowitz</strong>: But I had to see one of his lymphoma patients, who was needing a transplant. So, it was a difficult time. </p>
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<p>One day I had to get treated, because my tumors were growing and I went up to the 12th floor, which is the Oncology Floor here at the Clinical Center and many nurses from the National Cancer Institute were up there and I had just seen a patient with my white coat on and then I showed back up at 3 o’clock without my white coat and they said, “Oh, Dr. Horowitz, nice to see you.” And I said, “I am your 3 o’clock patient.” And that was really hard. </p>
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<p><strong>Lisa Horowitz</strong>: So I never say I had my own transplant, but I think when I’m listening and when I’m nodding and hearing their story – because their story’s different than my story — I think I convey a knowing that I could never do in words by telling them I had a transplant. But I think when I say, “yeah, that sounds really hard to go through what you’re going through,” in my heart I know I know what that’s like and I think I’m able to convey that. I’m grateful that I could work here at NIH because I feel like I could give back like that, every day. </p>
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<p>Produced by Dan Collison with interviews recorded by StoryCorps, a national nonprofit whose mission is to provide Americans of all backgrounds and beliefs with the opportunity to record, share, and preserve the stories of our lives. <a href="http://www.storycorps.org/">www.storycorps.org</a></p>
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