Comments on: Card Tricks: The Decline & Fall of a Bibliographic Tool https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/ Fri, 23 Aug 2024 06:30:25 +0000 hourly 1 By: 17 Things Older Generations Used Regularly That Younger People Never Need - Candid Joy https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-88993 Fri, 23 Aug 2024 06:30:25 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-88993 […] to Circulating Now, “not so very long ago,… card catalogs were pretty much synonymous with libraries.” But […]

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By: Rohit https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-88281 Thu, 24 Aug 2023 10:51:28 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-88281 Fascinating read! The evolution and eventual decline of card catalogs as a bibliographic tool is a testament to the ever-changing landscape of information management.

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By: Kamal https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-88264 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 12:59:41 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-88264 A thought-provoking reflection on the decline of card catalogs as a bibliographic tool. This article delves into the evolution of information management, shedding light on the transformative journey of libraries.

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By: Audrey Driscoll https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84838 Sat, 15 Feb 2020 03:08:06 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84838 Thanks for this. It was a nice visit to my past as a cataloguer (1980 to 2016). I arrived at the end of the card era and the coming of AACR2, and left soon after RDA arrived.

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By: Reblog: Card Tricks–Decline and Fall of the Old Card Catalog – e-Quips https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84836 Fri, 14 Feb 2020 11:09:42 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84836 […] For those of you who feel nostalgic or are old enough to remember the card catalog, read […]

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By: Leslie N. Todd https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84833 Thu, 13 Feb 2020 16:06:52 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84833 I earned good money at UT Austin’s Perry Castaneda Library filing cards into the card catalog. I came upon the most interesting titles while filing and once my shift was done I would go up into the stacks to take a look at those books. The only thing I miss about the card catalog is that serendipity factor as one thumbed through cards – I rarely come upon something unexpected and curious while using our OPAC.

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By: Chris https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84832 Wed, 12 Feb 2020 22:29:50 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84832 In reply to Steve Greenberg.

You do know that Churchill was making fun of those people, right?

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By: Barbara Roth https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84831 Wed, 12 Feb 2020 20:32:25 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84831 In reply to Steve Greenberg.

Thank you for your answer. Yes, skills change with the technology, but they don’t simply replace older skills. They are an additional layer of knowledge. I’m in favour of keeping the old card catalogs, especially in libraries with historical heritage. They are an archive (I am an archivist and historian…but not nostalgic). Of course, serendipity is also present in online catalogs, but the discoveries are different.

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By: Steve Greenberg https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84830 Wed, 12 Feb 2020 18:52:14 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84830 In reply to Barbara Roth.

NLM carefully reviewed its cards before the big recon thirty-plus years ago, and some cards were kept. The current review is also a question of many eyes and hands, and some cards will remain. Serendipity (of a different kind) still exists with an online catalogue – – – one can browse a subject heading while limiting by date, for example. The skills change with the technology.

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By: Kim Sharp https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84829 Wed, 12 Feb 2020 02:02:33 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84829 .]]> I wonder where I can buy a good used card catalog…such an amazing and comforting piece of history 😊.

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By: Barbara Roth https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84828 Tue, 11 Feb 2020 15:30:25 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84828 Yes, electronic catalogs are richer and more accurate, but some information is lost when card catalogs disappear. The simple image of the entry, before you even read it, indicates if it is an older book or not (hand-writen card, ink or ball-point pen, which kind of typewriter). The additions can be full of information. And there is also a certain kind of serendipity that is lost in the computer. Librarians ought to think twice before simply destroying the old card catalogs.

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By: Steve Greenberg https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84827 Mon, 10 Feb 2020 18:21:33 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84827 Technology marches on. One sees web sale listings for old card catalogue cabinets at thousands of dollars.

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By: Patricia Dollisch https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84826 Mon, 10 Feb 2020 18:16:43 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84826 I learned how to type the cards properly in grad school and what a bear they were. By the time I got to grad school I had been a library clerk for years and looked forward to the day I could file below the rod. Imagine my sorrow when I got to the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh and NO ONE got to file below the rod. Also, anyone who misses the card catalog should have to spend the day putting the drawers back together after some enterprising person figured out how to pull the rods and dump the drawers. I do remember a story from one of my professors about the rioting at Columbia in the 60s–police were sent to guard the card catalogs from the rioters. It’s nice to remember the days when those gorgeous pieces of furniture meant that much. Thanks for a great article.

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By: Pat Clark https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84825 Mon, 10 Feb 2020 16:16:29 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84825 Also enjoyed this walk down card catalog lane! As Suzanne above… I was a page in a public library in 1969 (50 years ago!) and learned the art of filing cards above the rod… and then taught the same to library students when I became a director. When we gave up the card catalog in my present hospital library, I tried to find uses for the beautiful oak card catalog… one was filing cassette tapes in them. But oops… those are now history too! Thanks for a great article. 🙂

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By: Steve Greenberg https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84824 Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:36:08 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84824 If nothing else, computer systems have forced standardization of a good many things. Thanks!

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By: Steve Greenberg https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84823 Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:32:47 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84823 In reply to Barbara Wallace.

I could not write proper Palmer if my life depended upon. We could have a whole other thread about penmanship, and how cursive writing is (and isn’t) being taught today.

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By: Steve Greenberg https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84822 Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:29:39 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84822 In reply to Karen.

Bibliographic instruction will never quite go away. Thanks!

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By: pakbratton https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84821 Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:21:38 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84821 When I came to my current library as Director – 36 years ago! – I realized that the cards had been filed completely wrong, using a locally grown system. It was easier to automate than to refile the whole card catalog!

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By: Steve Greenberg https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84820 Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:07:44 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84820 In reply to Suzanne Stauffer.

Agreed: a bad record is a bad record, whether it’s a card or online. Moreover, some of the shelving information created during the Old Red Brick building days is still in use today, which is why we have to check the cards against the online catalogue, to make sure that we are not discarding that the only remaining record of that information. But with a properly done online record (done by a real live trained librarian), there are a far greater possibilities for searching.

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By: Sue Reynolds https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84817 Mon, 10 Feb 2020 13:35:51 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84817 Loved reading this on the eve (literally) of my retirement from over 40 years of teaching cataloguing in Melbourne, Australia. Thankyou. I am going to miss it

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By: Karen https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84815 Sun, 09 Feb 2020 14:11:26 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84815 A great article. Thanks. When I was (as the only librarian) converting the catalog to digital format, I had the print shop pad the cards to use as note cards. I couldn’t bring myself to just toss them. I hated to give up the physical cards. You’re correct that you can do great searches using the digital catalog but most of my users weren’t even able to use the cards, much less be interested in using the computer. And, yes, I’m talking about teachers .

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By: Jacque Dessino https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84814 Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:38:48 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84814 ]]> As a reference librarian, I do not miss trying to teach students how to find things in the card catalog, especially not the rule about words starting with Mc being filed as if the were spelled Mac. 😀

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By: Suzanne Stauffer https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84813 Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:09:40 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84813 I began my career in libraries at 15 years old as a page who shelved books and filed cards. As a professional, I revised the filing of clerks and filed the shelf list cards. I do not for one moment miss any of it!

I do need to correct one claim, however. “But with modern online catalogues, it really doesn’t matter. ANY search will take you to the full record.” Only if someone has entered the information in the first place, either as a secondary entry in the bibliographic record or (preferably) as a cross-reference in the authority file that is linked to the bibliographic file. In other words, it is just as accurate to say that “catalogs are only searchable using the strategies already put in place when the bibliographic files were created.” Some human being — some librarian — has to analyze the item and create the records and establish the links among the files.

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By: blancham https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84812 Sat, 08 Feb 2020 16:20:30 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84812 Great memories from my Public Library days.

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By: blancham https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84810 Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:01:21 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84810 In reply to Ellen Detlefsen.

Yes, great memories.

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By: Barbara Wallace https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84809 Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:03:11 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84809 I go back before typed catalog cards — although I must have typed 100,000! When I began my first job at the main Detroit Public Library in 1962, I would sometimes find cards handwritten in beautiful Palmer calligraphy in the card catalog. Thanks for the memories. My career ended in 2001 with no card catalogs in sight.

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By: New CARD TRICKS: THE DECLINE & FALL OF A BIBLIOGRAPHIC TOOL – Stephen's Lighthouse https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84808 Sat, 08 Feb 2020 11:48:29 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84808 […] Card Tricks: The Decline & Fall of a Bibliographic Tool […]

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By: Steve Greenberg https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84807 Fri, 07 Feb 2020 18:38:02 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84807 Thanks!

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By: Amanda K Sprochi https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84806 Fri, 07 Feb 2020 17:38:39 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84806 Steve, this was lovely. We are soon to be rid of our last card catalogs here at Mizzou, and while there is a fondness for them as bastions of library-ness (and they are pretty furniture) the fact is that the few we have remaining for shelflisting purposes haven’t been used or updated for years. So they are going. We are going to invite everyone to “drop a drawer” of cards in the recycle bin and have a big cake to “celebrate.” Not sorry the days of cataloging over the bar are gone, necessarily, but I will miss my stalwart friends.

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By: Weekly Postings | The MARquee https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84805 Fri, 07 Feb 2020 16:37:06 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84805 […] Card Tricks: The Decline & Fall of a Bibliographic Tool – There was a time, not so very long ago, when card catalogues were pretty much synonymous with libraries. You really could not imagine one without the other. – Circulating Now, from the Historical Collections of the National Library of Medicine […]

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By: Steve Greenberg https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84803 Fri, 07 Feb 2020 14:52:08 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84803 In reply to Dale Smith.

That’s why we still need librarians!

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By: Steve Greenberg https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84802 Fri, 07 Feb 2020 14:50:59 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84802 In reply to Andrea Harrow (@gshlibrarian).

There is such a thing as research comfort food.

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By: Steve Greenberg https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84801 Fri, 07 Feb 2020 14:49:53 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84801 In reply to B. Gee.

I’m with Winston Churchill on not ending sentences with prepositions: “This is the type of errant pedantry up with which I will not put.”

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By: Steve Greenberg https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84800 Fri, 07 Feb 2020 14:47:59 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84800 In reply to Ellen Detlefsen.

Thank you!

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By: Dale Smith https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84799 Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:53:50 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84799 Great reminder of the limits and costs of technologies we were once nostalgic about, especially as we struggled with the transition. I still struggle with finding cross references in computer subject searching but once I find the right term the computer is greater resource. Well done.

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By: B. Gee https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84796 Fri, 07 Feb 2020 00:39:27 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84796 Getting rid of reliable “old” technology! “Be careful what you wish-for.”
or is it that, “that for which you wish?”

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By: Andrea Harrow (@gshlibrarian) https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84795 Thu, 06 Feb 2020 23:32:55 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84795 An enjoyable read Stephen. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with those of us who only remember the card cabinets as young patrons. Ours is still in the library and it continues to be an obsolete but comforting fixture. That said, someone just walked by to look up something in the big, print dictionary. Go and figure!

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By: Ellen Detlefsen https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/2020/02/06/card-tricks-the-decline-fall-of-a-bibliographic-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-84793 Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:43:01 +0000 https://circulatingnow.nlm.nih.gov/?p=18516#comment-84793 Bravo! A lot of ‘memory lane’ here—thanks

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